Everyone I know lied about something, he'll if everyone was honest about drug use there wouldn't be a military. Good luck to you. Bit of stretch that anybody would have any insight on this subject, but the only thing stopping me from getting accepted for MEPS is my LASIK documentation. You're assuming her recruiter didn't know With the rise of electronic medical records it'll become extremely hard to lie for meps. She passed all the exams and was cleared, then went to BMT and performed well. If the answer is YES, congrats shipmates just got injured or even died on your watch. I'm guessing you're done. Retired in '02 as a Senior Chief(E-8 for you landlubbers). They don't understand how a broken leg or asthma when they were a kid can come back, they don't understand how mental issues are severely exacerbated under stress-- because they think their phone breaking is stress, and they dealt with that just fine. Forgetting the medical side of this for a moment You must log in or register to reply here. Idk if the policy is 1 or 3 years, Ive encountered both. I'm certain they won't be. MEPS' job is the same as the recruiter's job. They don't pull up your records unless you need a clearance or unless it comes up. I think the chief issue is your pattern of distrust..and confidence in superiors. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. So I was told to go into his office and asked me if I was lying about any paperwork and that is there anything I didn't disclose with my recruiter or if I have done drugs. Unfortunately, she needed to go to sick call several times for persistent coughing. This is my reaction as I am. Hopefully by then youll be completely withdrawn from your meds. As a reminder, this subreddit is for civil discussion. Do not lie, falsify, or hide information. This applies to ANY wildcat actions, including slowdown, work-to-rules, withdrawal of enthusiasm (WOE), sickouts, etc. Not sure why I didnt expect this or was told this. A young man decided to join the Air Force and contacted a Recruiter. Further, patients often don't ask what their diagnosis is--the patient is focused on their problems and not the administrivia in a medical record. It may be at MEPS, it may be later in your career. And if you don't know what to do, you have no business applying to the military. they'll find out if you need a Top Secret security clearance or if the issue comes up. Stupid kids want the power, the prestige, the money, the sweet benefitsthe military has a lot to offer. My only option is to wait another month just to go back to get a 'check up', costing me precious time and money again, without insurance, pushing back my MEPS appointment another month or two. Accidentally or on purpose are applicable. What will you do at PI or San Diego when the withdrawal symptoms hit? I was planning on saying the wrist scar was from jumping over the fence as a kid or something like that. It is not the recruiters job to get you into the military, nor is it MEPS' job to disqualify you. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. You may need further evaluation or counseling before you can live a rigorous military lifestyle. In hindsight, had I known this disaster of 'hurry up and wait' would happen I would have waited another month to check in. It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action. If I go back to my doctor and ask them to fill it out with the actual dates (even though its not exactly on the mark of '90 days'), will it be a waste of time to send back to MEPS, maybe with a statement attached? We lost quite a few, we were down to just a few of us by graduation. Here is the Press Release. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. We have been contacted by major union legal teams regarding this issue. PERIOD. They'll simply deny him enlistment and move-on. Press J to jump to the feed. After about 2 months on the medication, he discovered that the side-effects of the medicine were worse than his symptoms and stopped taking it. Learning has occurred - give it time to sink in. I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Keratinous is NOT trifling; it is the major cause for corneal transplant in the US-a very expensive medical issue. She could have been honest about her history and told the Recruiter, who would have told MEPS, who would have requested a waiver, and she would have had a chance at a waiver by doing some additional evaluation. 1. How do recruiters get medical records to MEPS for a med read? So they just left that section blank and filled in the most recent appointment, making it look as if i never went in at all until just the other day. or "Do you have a history of depression? I am going into the marines and have a contract to go to security school where you need a TS if you complete it. They said "No problem, we'll work around it." I lied at meps . A bunch of others told me to just play dumb . I also had to have my opthalmologist fill out a form called MEPS Refractive Eye Surgery worksheet.Look at MANMED regarding LASIK. After a long conversation with my doc he said there is no way for them to find out unless you tell them. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. So a few days later I went to MEPS but before we went we had to fill more paperwork out. Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. I have to go to a cardiologist 3 weeks from now to say if it's a no go or not . Know all the risks and procedure limitations. How about this: Lying to join the military is a fraudulent enlistment and can result in a felony conviction. Most major airlines are in negotiations at this time, and many are contentious. As above: the truth is easy to remember, keep consistent and coordinate with others. I was told I had heart murmur when I was 6 and was told that I would grow out of it little to say I didn't they found it at meps . The recruiter will come up with the necessary "details" of what happened and will move on to the next recruit. Doctors said I had asthma growing up, my recruiter said don't mention it, he was probably jumping to conclusions. 4,250. Because the military does not. Overall, I have to say that I am troubled by the way you appear to be perceiving and interacting with the recruiters. Cookie Notice You may need further evaluation or counseling before you can live a rigorous military lifestyle. Now the most commonly performed eye laser surgery, LASIK involves creating a partial-thickness corneal flap and using an excimer laser to ablate the bed of the cornea. Further, he won't be able to enlist nor commission in any branch of the military ever again. I lied at MEPs about multiple things, I don't think it has affected my ability to be a soldier. I feel like this is a test so see if I won't bother to accrue some letters regardless and I'm not sure what to do. I didn't mention it at the physical, everything when fine. SSG Sean Donahue - Though your verbiage is way bolder than mine (my post on this issue is above) I fully agree with you!!!! There's been zero issues from the surgery and was absolutely necessary as I couldn't do more than 10 pushups without the wrist being in terrible pain. If they ask, tell them it's a scar from when you were a kid. from USMCboot. Though my friend told me his exam consisted of a puff eye test, exam for glaucoma screening. There are many specific medical conditions that may disqualify you from joining the U.S. Military. MEPS consult will do the corneal mapping, so no, we don't just guess at the diagnosis. He was counseled, evaluated, and treated for EIA. May 14, 2016 Just a note, if you decide to lie about it, you need to be sure that you won't let it slip sometime later. My gramma always told me I had to be able to look at myself in the mirror, and know that if I couldn't-- I wouldn't sleep well at night. Lying at MEPS about medical or mental health history is a really bad idea with serious consequences, as stated on the Army enlistment contract you sign. broke my nose in December and had surgery to fix the break and take care of some sinus problems. I even believed that my OR would appreciate my persistence in trying to get more info while he is on leave this week. AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. What should I do if MEPS continues to request medical records that don't exist? He stopped seeing the counselor after only 6 months from beginning counseling and successfully continued his college education. Well today I reserved an 11x op 40 contract with plans to go to MEPS Tues/Wed. If you can not look at yourself in the mirror in the morning it was the wrong decision. Below are abstractions of a true stories. If you are denied entry to the military, it is very possibly the best thing for both you and the government. With his counselor, they decided he should try medication (Sertraline/Zoloft) for control of his symptoms. When did the AF start allowing pilots that have had LASIK? if the issue will not comprise your ability to serve in your unit and MOS, keep your mouth shut.. What about me? Pretend now that either of these people had completed BMT without their prior Mental Health history ever evaluated. 03-10-09, 06:54 PM #10. redsox1804. My ex, who was batshit crazy, probably Bi-polar and was on meds most of her teen life lied about it ALL at MEPs. I know a guy who lied about lasik because he didn't want to wait 6 months and nobody at meps found out. Thanks for the details. The suicide counselor for the cousin recognized that our young man was confused and worried from his family's recent crisis. MEPS threaten to put these kids in fucking prison if they lie, and they lie anyway. Station commander looked at my medical paperwork and said word-for-word: " You stick to the script. A forum to discuss Navy Recruiters, processing at MEPS, Delayed Entry Program, Enlisted Ratings, "A" Schools, Officer Candidate School, Recruit Training Command, and transferring to your first command. You need to disclose it. Privacy Policy. See TheBeneGesseritWitch's guide on Paths to become an Officer. The rules here have not changed, but the enforcement will now result in a 30 day ban from APC for violations. Your insistence on snapping back or being defensive only adds evidence to a immaturity that will not serve the military. Does MEPS pull your military medical records. I think that I am going to just forget that it ever happened. If they don't find anything during their examinations, you should be good to go. I played my "sax" a lot in basic. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered severe financial damage in the process. It was not a mistake for being honest at MEPS, it was a mistake for being dishonest on the paperwork. For both, it's to ensure that only qualified candidates enlist. Your Visit to MEPS All enlisted recruits are evaluated at MEPS Your recruiter helps prepare you for MEPS In another month, his symptoms and concerns had mostly resolved, and his cousin was also much better. 1) I have been told by my Officer Recruiter that I do NOT need any Letters of Recommendation for a package. I am perfectly health for Army service and will be telling hte MEPS doctors that *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. I haven't seriously considered joining a branch since my accident in 2003, but it still crosses my mind from time to time. They only care in the beginning because they don't want to waste money on you for "XYZ" reason for processing, no matter how bullshit it is. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. and was it a mistake for being honest at MEPS? After a few weeks, he began to complain of chest tightness, shortness of breath, and tunnel vision, which are classic signs of Exercise Induced Asthma (EIA), a potentially disqualifying condition. lie at MEPS? Interested in Officer programs? Am I in danger like my friend said? Dont lie. The doctor who found it said it not a big deal and they will let me in . The cousin survived, and revealed she was deep in a gambling debt. Post by Cisco4711 January 12th, 2010, 7:10 am. Our advice is consistently not to lie at MEPS. Lying will. I have ADHD and a prescription but function perfectly fine off the meds bc ADHD does not effect me much at all anymore. It indicates, "Click to perform a search". He said the tests they do would not notice the lasik scar it's only if you tell them you had lasik that they do more in depth tests if there's any issues. Know what makes you a poor candidate. Or should I be honest with my recruiter and if I cant get a waiver, lie at MEPS. This isn't the place, and you aren't the expert. HELP!!! My recruiter is telling me that some things are best left unsaid. If you lie about it at MEPS, and get Lying at MEPS, HIPAA and security clearances. LASIK and LASEK are forms of corrective refractive eye surgeries, and both reshape corneas permanently. I just finished MEPS after having LASIK.I had to provide all medical documentation from the surgery (pre-op, post-op information, etc.) So I left his office and my recruiter took me to up to the hotel. Is there a glaucoma suspect trait i should be wary of, are there any other eye traits that would require further testing. One guy kept getting ahold of his prrsonal items somehow and got caught playing a saxophone in the barracks. It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action. My friend says I might be in danger for being honest. I plan on waiting the 6 months. I think the lesson here is not to tell people to disclose everything, becausethey won't. A magnifying glass. This experience also likely caused further stress and worsened his long-term mental health because he was suddenly out of a multi-year career, and wasted many weeks of his and the Air Force's time. He runs like 6 miles a day on it perfectly capable. It also helps prevent mods from profiling and censoring. I genuinely had not considered that the way I'm acting could be considered morally suspect, or aggravating to the recruiter. Stuck waiting for MEPS to process my info from Military to Military as well as MEPS to MEPS. Did I Lie at MEPS??! And yet when the recruiter tells them to lie so he doesn't have to do paperwork they always believe him that no one will find out. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. This is a process a person goes through after they have gone through the medical screening to join the army. You need to provide all documents not just a cover letter or info sheet. Glad to hear eye stuff is routine. This was the man who my friend had confessed his pot usage to when we first showed up a month ago, but now my friend lied to him and he accepted the lie without hesitation. If people can lie about weed I dont see any moral dilemma about you lying about ADHD. Do not lie, falsify, or hide information. That sent me down a long road of having to get a waiver for something that had no current medical basis and was utter medical fraud. We all come to this website for information and most of us have been corrected on our approach by the main contributors in some fashion. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Handle this the right way, as you should all things. Don't they pull your medical records, or did this happen after they checked? They do that at the School of Infantry. For instance another friend went to meps and when he was doing the eye portion he was wearing contacts and the guy checking him didn't even notice. She could have been honest about her history and told the Recruiter, who would have told MEPS. 48.3k Members 151 Online Created Sep 13, 2012 Join Top posts december 6th 2015 Top posts of december, 2015 Top posts 2015 I realize you were told to lie, but you should have refused. Do people go to jail for lying at MEPS? I had the active prescription but wasnt taking them. It is possible to lie about your depression during MEPS (Military Entrance Process). I wouldn't recommend it (even ignoring the important integrity aspects of your question. Do not encourage lying. Maybe from 2001-2007 or so she could. It seems like the most important mission of the army right now its safety and risk management, and with that in mind, it doesn't seem even remotely worth the risk. If you struggle from any of the conditions mentioned below, it is a good idea to speak with a local U.S. Military recruiter. So now I have to play stupid as if nothing happened at MEPS but clearly they know I said something at MEPS. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Questions about joining the Marines? JavaScript is disabled. During the MEPS process, recruits may be tempted to lie about past events. One of those better to ask for forgiveness than permission situations it seems. Some background, I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was younger and thus have ADHD and have a prescription for but find that I dont really need it for things other than standardized tests which is not really al that ADHD related Im just a bad test taker. A young woman wanted to join the Air Force and went to MEPS. Texted him asking if he got the paperwork and he said he did (at this point I knew a commander came in and talk to the two and now I know he is pissed). I think the individual is still at the MEPS stage of enlistment, and if I have understood him correctly, he is awaiting a medical waiver of sorts. This is for prior service and new applicants. He told them. Option 2: Lie. Maybe mental health evaluations should be more thorough, the guys with physical problems that the Army didn't know about got found out because they were being physically pushed but the mental nutjobsthey didn't get found out til they got to their unit. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Lost the navigator slot and was made a C130 mechanic. MEPS, short for Military Entrance Processing, rolled out a new system yesterday called MHS Genesis. My experience: I told the truth about something that should have been a non-issue. Tough but that is what it is when they find out. Anyone with any experience or advice? For every one of these little vignettes there is an outstanding Soldier, Sailor, Airperson or Marine that said "No" when asked, and is out there doing outstanding shit. So I handed all of my medical and education records that he said to not worry about to the recruiter. Talk openly with your recruiter, MEPS staff, and your family. The military is used to this, and they really don't care down the road. They may lie about behaviors, charges, and other possible information that could disqualify them from enlisting in the military. Finally, he was incorrectly interpreting the questions from his recruiter and MEPS to what he believed his own history was. However, you do sign a paper that allows the navy to look through your medical history if something bad happens during training. Downside, you might take a bit longer to get the green light to process and might also have to get documentation from your doctor that you don't need your meds anymore. I lied at meps . If it had been correctly disclosed, he likely would have required a waiver and additional counseling before joining the Air Force. I have changed a few details to maintain anonymity, however the basics of the stories are very real and did happen. Its in your best interest to get through MEPS. No personally identifying information (PII). Also, while you wait for a reply from a subject matter expert, try using the search feature! The young man did see another counselor in the same clinic, who identified several other stressors in his life, including moving away from home to begin college, worries about the cost of college, and a strong fear of public speaking. By logging into your account, you agree to our. He passed MEPS, signed a contract, and entered Basic Military Training (BMT). I got to certain sections and told him I have to say "yes" to these questions and I knew how important they were. Has "just asking for a friend" EVER worked, even if true? The suicide counselor recommended he also consider seeing his own counselor. I don't suggest lying, but literally almost everyone I know of has lied about something. JavaScript is disabled. After a few more weeks, the doctors determined he did not actually have EIA, but was experiencing panic attacks and anxiety which subconsciously manifested as physical symptoms (a Psychosomatic Disorder). When I went to MEPs, like most people, I had something to lie about. Applicants often need further evaluation or counseling before they can live the rigorous and stressful military lifestyle. No. The forms tell you that you must disclose it. ), Arborry Hill Road Company, LLC Copyright 2006-2023, Service Academy Forums is a registered trademark of Arborry Hill Road Company, LLC. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. Same with another section. My knees were pretty well shot after 4 years active 11B. My gramma always told me I had to be able to look at myself in the mirror, and know that if I couldn't-- I wouldn't sleep well at night. 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