Close. Some companies will provide you with upto 6 generations. [13] However, in 2019, South Wales Police stated that forensic tests on the DNA "categorically confirm that Jones was not responsible for the murder of Muriel Drinkwater. Joseph James DeAngelo, the suspected Golden State Killer, The real waking the dead: This schoolgirls savage murder has mystified police for 62 years. On June 27, 1946, 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater made her way home from school in Penllergaer, Swansea (UK). All the best with pursuing answers in this case, and please keep us updated. The gun was described as aColt 45 American army issue automatic pistol, first issued for World War I but probably also used in World War II, which significantly had the original wooden stocks next to the grip modernised with perspex.. "We had access to the files and identified that a semen stain had been found on the coat. Hi Neil. Do not sell or share my personal information. A different D.C.I. 2023 BBC. Muriel Joan Drinkwater was the youngest of four daughters born to John Percival and Margaret ( ne Morgans) Drinkwater. The comments below have not been moderated. The police have DNA but keep any results they may have a closely guarded secret. Only the exhumation of Jones body or D.N.A. Brutally beaten, raped and shot twice, the discovery of Swansea schoolgirlMuriel Drinkwater's body in 1946 horrified an entire community. Thank you for the update. The police have a Y-STR profile from Muriels coat. Its amazing the documentary could screw things up so much. The reason given for sealing the files was that it could help the police catch the perpetrator. We use your sign-up to provide content in the ways you've consented to and improve our understanding of you. We know 100% that it is the killer's stain. 74 years ago, Muriel Drinkwater was murdered. The gym is tucked away in an unsuspecting industrial estate in the Swansea Valley and is run by a world-champion strongman who wants as many people as possible to feel included in his beloved sport. Take a second to support Christine on Patreon! We also may change the frequency you receive our emails from us in order to keep you up to date and give you the best relevant information possible. Her route to her familys home Tyle-Du Farmentailed a mile-long journey that wove in and out of the woods. Muriel's death was known at the time as the Little Red Riding Hood Murder because of the bright red coat she was wearing. Psychic Diane Lazarus Investigates Muriel Drinkwater Murder - YouTube 0:00 / 21:56 Sign in to confirm your age This video may be inappropriate for some users. Although the decision was made immediately it took nearly 7 weeks until 16 August 2021 to get a formal decision. Muriel Joan Drinkwater was the youngest daughter of four born to Margaret and John Percival Drinkwater, a smallholder and forestry worker in Swansea, Wales. Muriels nieces family took the books to the bookshop after Muriels brother-in-law died last year. [8] A description of a person of interest was circulated; he was described as approximately 30 years old, with "thick fluffy hair and wearing brown corduroy trousers and a light brown sports jacket. There were soldiers still in the area after the war and they used to train in Penllergaer woods. Muriel was seen at 2:30PM, singing as she exited the school bus. Mudgee General Cemetery. Detectives to revisit unsolved murder. Muriel Drinkwater was born on January 12, 1906 in New York . She was hoping in her lifetime to find out who killed her aunt. Police believe 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater might have been a victim of a notorious serial killer when she was raped and murdered in 1946. An amazing campaign by Neil Milkins, but unfortunately, no breakthrough for Muriel. 2023 The True Crime Files. Born in the summer of 1933, she was the youngest of four children and lived with her parents Percy and Margaret on a small farm called Tyle-Du, near We are hoping to make a BBC documentary (follow on from Dark Son) to see if we can shed any new light on the case. Elizabeth Muriel Greenshields Drinkwater . DNA was taken from the relatives of both Muriel and Ronnie Harries but the results have not been made public. Drinkwater, a 12-year-old schoolgirl, was raped and shot in the woods in Penllergaer, Swansea. It was believed a similar weapon had been used in the murder of a cinema manager in Bristol. We also may change the frequency you receive our emails from us in order to keep you up to date and give you the best relevant information possible. Mark Lewis by email of this fact but my email was ignored. After a previous visit to the Drinkwater family farm, Hoyles was surprised when a man in his thirties withthick fluffy hair and wearing brown corduroy trousers and a light brown sports jacket stepped from the bushes at exactly the same location where Muriel was later ambushed. A village-wide search was swiftly underway, and at 4:30PM the following day Muriels body was located in a Japanese larch plantation near her home. Detective Chief Inspector Mark Lewis, head of the Specialist Crime Review Unit said: 'The results of the forensic examination categorically confirm that Jones was not responsible for the murder of Muriel Drinkwater. I can be contacted at [emailprotected] or via Facebook messenger. Twelve-year-old Muriel Drinkwater was a choirgirl who dreamed of being a schoolteacher. Drinkwater, a 12-year-old schoolgirl, was raped and shot in the woods in Penllergaer, Swansea. She was was found murdered in 1980 in a field in Dixon, CA. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Officers are now examining a semen stain on Muriel's coat to see if it can be linked to Jones. Sometimes the rumours and suspicion in these unsolved cases does almost as much damage to the community as the crime itself. More recently, however, it was tested against the DNA of one Harold Jones, a convicted double child murderer who slayed two similarly young girls in Abertillery in the 1920s, to see if he might be the perpetrator. Drinkwater, a 12-year-old schoolgirl, was raped and shot in the woods in Penllergaer, Swansea. The unanswered question, however, is whether or not the killer was specifically waiting for Muriel or if any girl or woman who happened by would have made a suitable target. He described the search for the clothes that had been taken from the crime scene. As part of the investigation forensic evidence has been re-examined and officers have considered theories that convicted murderer Harold Jones was . Twelve-year-old Muriel Drinkwater was a choirgirl who dreamed of being a schoolteacher. It is one of the oldest active cold cases in the United Kingdom. In 2008, a DNA profile of the suspect was extracted from her clothes, possibly the oldest one in the world to . 0, Hi Tracey Thanks for reading and for sharing your thoughts on Muriels case. 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[8] Scientists successfully retrieved a DNA profile from this stain. Your work keeps this case alive and I hope it will one day reveal the true identity of Muriels killer. Thanks for reading and for taking the time to share your thoughts. In the days and weeks that followed, police officers visited every farmhouse and cottage within 150 square miles, along with interviewing 20,000 men in Swansea, Aberdare and Carmarthenshire. Edith Patten had been buried in the old town cemetery and was left behind when officials relocated the graves in the 1930s. First he lived in Fulham with a former London Metropolitan Police officer John Widdows and his daughter Muriel whom he married in 1948. Your email address will not be published. And no idea and Japanese workers. D.S. Also, it was near a Japanese plantation and the workers may have possibly assaulted her and the cigarette butts, bread and sweet wrappers may have come from the plantation. [6] On 27 June 1946, Muriel took the school bus home from Gowerton Grammar School. sample from Harold Jones daughter. The coat had been lying forgotten in police storage for decades but after much searching was found by retired DCI Bethell's cold case team and is thought to be one of the oldest pieces of crime scene evidence in the world. As always you can unsubscribe at any time. However, a lack of hard evidence would later see him freed. (My belief now is that the suspect he referred to was Hubert Hoyles who as a 13 year-old boy had come into contact with Muriels family shortly before her murder. There are, of course, other theories regarding who was lying in wait on that fateful day. As manager of this memorial you can add or update the memorial using the Edit button below. Something went wrong, please try again later. South Wales Police's Specialist Crime Review Unit has today finally ruled out Jones - who died from cancer in 1971 - from their investigation. Im not sure how much of a farming business the family had or if they just casually sold eggs like many people in the country do. "She lost sight of her for a few moments. Fifteen days later, Jones murdered 11-year-old neighbour Florence Little too, hiding her body in the attic of his parents' home. He must have known she was near home because she waved and if we are saying this was a planned attack he wouldve studied Muriels routine, studied her route, he was near where her route went, that is a very specific route to go in and out the forest, and with balance of probability he therefore must have known Muriel and her family business to cripple the mother to cripple the business. Hi Nicola. Moments before being brutally attacked, 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater had waved to her mother, who stood at the kitchen window, as she made her way home from Gowerton High School along the long path that led to the family home. Oftentimes the public wonders why resources should be allocated to cold cases such as Muriels, cases in which most of victims immediate family, and even the perpetrator, are likely dead. ', Sister of murdered Idaho student Kalyee Goncalves gives birth to baby girl and gives it middle name 'MaddieKay' in tribute to her and slain best friend Maddie Mogen, CDC issues 'serious public health alert' over nationwide spike in drug-resistant stomach bug that infects half a million Americans each year, Mark Walhberg is SLAMMED for presenting SAG Award to Asian cast of Everything Everywhere All At Once following his hate crime conviction for assaulting Asian men in 1988. I then appealed that decision and was shocked to be told that the information I requested had been eaten by vermin or had been damaged owing to a leaking roof. Muriel Drinkwater - Swansea, 1946 On 27th June 1946, Margaret Drinkwater was making tea in the family farm house in Penllegaer near Swansea when she looked out of the window to see her daughter . . I have informed South Wales Police regarding this information to save them a fortune on a wild goose chase trying to extract D.N.A. There is no doubt about that.". In a Welsh village during the summer of 1946, a 12-year-old girl is brutally murdered. Adding: Please may I make a comment that the information that I request would be available via computer in an instant. From the statements of the day it appeared her mum was making a pot of tea and looked out the window and actually saw Muriel about 500 yards away coming up the track towards the farmhouse. On 27th June 1946 a school girl was walking through countryside on her way home. We could see it [had been] in a police station, but as it closed, where did it go next? [8][4], In 2003, detectives re-opened the case in the hope of finding DNA evidence on the gun, but were not successful as too many people had handled the weapon. This will conclude a 10 year wait to see if Jones was indeed Muriels killer. I really appreciate your local insights. Advertisement. Jones was only 15 when he killed eight-year-old Freda Burnell, who'd been sent by her father to buy bird seed from the store where Jones was working. Thank you for all your assistance in this matter, the information you have provided has proved to be very helpful. [9] Detectives from Scotland Yard came to Swansea to assist in the investigation. They had been regular churchgoers, but stopped going to church and moved away from the farm within two years of the murder. And if you want to write a guest post that covers the update for distribution on the website, let us know. Muriel was murdered 16 years before I was born, but it was a story I had heard from a young age. He is very clearly interested in the fact that she is young, that she is a schoolgirl, and also that she is very clever. ", "Groundbreaking DNA test rules out childkiller in unsolved murder", 74 years ago, Muriel Drinkwater was murdered. Like you I hope there is justice one day for Muriel but sadly as more and more time passes I worry that becomes less likely. Who killed 'Little Red Riding Hood'? And four months after Jones left the army Muriel was raped and shot dead as she walked home from a school bus in Penllergaer, Swansea. The Crime Review Group already have the information that I request. That DNA was initially used to rule from suspicion someone who had been spotted close to the woods on the afternoon Muriel was attacked. It doesnt take much working out who the unnamed source with South Wales Police was! Regards. I informed D.C.I. Police records from the time show that Muriel's mother was the last person to see her alive. Muriels niece is in a dreadful state. He stated that I was barking up the wrong tree regarding Harold Jones having killed Muriel and finished by saying Happy Hunting before slamming the phone down on me. However, what happened to Jones once he left Wandsworth jail in December 1941, aged 35, remains a mystery. This was no spur of the moment event. Learn more about managing a memorial . In 2008, a DNA profile of the suspect . profiling. [12][13], For more than a decade, Welsh true crime author Neil Milkins theorised that notorious child murderer Harold Jones (19061971) was responsible for the murders of both Martin and Drinkwater. Ms Drinkwater was seen by her mother in the distance. He could not be placed at the scene, and the DNA ruled him out of the investigation. The 73-year-old stain was discovered during a cold case review in 2003 and is thought to be one of the oldest pieces of evidence in the world. This was a very small, close knit community and everybody knew everybody and everybodies business. Video, 00:01:00At the crash site of 'no hope' - BBC reporter in Greece, Dog found alive after 23 days under rubble. To see documentary google Dark Lands Muriel Drinkwater iplayer. request regarding the unsolved murder of 12 year-old Muriel Drinkwater near Swansea in June 1946. I have spoken to former D.C.I Paul Bethel and given him this information. Accountant Graham Wildin built an incredible 10,000sq/ft leisure complex - which has a bowling alley, casino, a cinema and more - at the back of his home. Or by navigating to the user icon in the top right. South Wales Police said: "All historic murder cases, often referred to in the media as cold cases, are allocated to the Specialist Crime Review Unit and remain under active consideration and will be subject of re-investigation as and when new information is received or when there are advances in forensic science. The Welsh policehave also examined connections between Muriels case and a second murder that occurred a mere ten days after she was killed. Regards. ADVERTISEMENT BY ANCESTRY.COM. Her name was written in copper plate, Muriel J Drinkwater, and they were examined by the forensic expert who did some incredible work for us, and was able to find this full crime stain on the back of Muriel's little school mac. Hoyles told police that the man looked terribly stern and had a local accent. Although this person of interest could have just been out for hike or involved in some other unrelated nefarious activity, the authorities believe that he may have been in involved in Muriels murder. They pieced together evidence from the time, used new forensic breakthroughs and links to other cases in the area to identify who they think murdered Muriel in the most horrific way. I wonder if there was a sketch done when Hoyles confronted a man weeks earlier. Thanks again and take care. 'Due to advances in forensic technology we have been able to look again at evidence from the murder in 1946 and I am now able to rule out Harold Jones completely as a suspect in this case. Please let us know how it goes. The electoral register having been suspended because of the war means details are hazy about where he ended up - although he did eventually resurface in South London under the name Harry Stevens, leading some to believe he was also Jack The Stripper - the serial killer who battered and strangled a number of women across the capital during the 1960s. Roll on another 2 months for a denied request. Hi Neil. "My grandparents changed completely. "(The murder) turned our family upside down and has been talked about through the generations. 12 year old Muriel Drinkwater had only a mile to travel from the South Wales village of Penllergaer to the farm she lived on with her family. Bethell was thrilled to discover that on the back of the coat, a no-longer visible dried semen stain was circled with yellow crayon. Bethell sent the coat toDr. Colin Dark, and over the course of three years (MUCH longer than depicted on television and in the movies) Bethell analyzed the material and was able to extract enough fragments of DNA tosuccessfully create a Y-STR profile from the semen stain. Then for 3 years he was registered at Colinette Road Putney as Harry Stevens. Birth: 16 Jan 1878: Happier times: Alex Murdaugh, Maggie and their sons are the picture-perfect family in never-before-seen photos taken on a hunting trip just a few years before brutal slayings, 'Why isn't he being prosecuted?' ~ Christine. Pinterest. taken from Jones one and only child, a daughter. With the help from a niece of Muriel Drinkwater I pursued my research which led to South Wales Police taking a D.N.A. Wales documentary screened at 10.30pm on Sunday 8 November 2020 spent a full 5 minutes suggesting that 2 books found in a Carmarthen bookshop recently had been taken from Muriels schoolbag in 1946 as trophies by the killer. Updated: August 30, 2013 . Hi. Muriel, who lived on Tyle-Du farm at Penllergaer, near Swansea, went missing on Thursday, June 27th, 1946, and her body was found next day in Penllergaer woods. In 1946, 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater was murdered in the woods of Swansea, Wales. The savage nature of the attack stands out from other rapes. I agree with the killer being male and the suggested age range. Advertisement. It blighted my life. For Hoyles, and no doubt numerous other people in Penllergaer,every dollar spent bringing Muriels killer one step closer to justice has been a dollar well spent. D.C, Paul Rogers, independent of Victor Penalunas theory, contacted me by phone and told me that his research had led him to believe that Harold Jones may have been Muriel Drinkwaters killer. Is it possible that scientists could examine Muriels coat and find another profile that could be compared to Jones daughters D.N.A.? After discussing this development with Muriels niece, myself, Muriels niece and a number of of her nursing friends came to the same conclusion that if Jones daughter isnt his biological daughter then Jones could not completely rule out Jones as a suspect. ", Muriel Drinkwater who was killed in June 1946. She was buried at St David's Church in Penllergaer. "I have spoken to Muriel's family and bring them up to date with the latest details of this investigation. [8], Last edited on 11 February 2023, at 09:11, List of unsolved murders in the United Kingdom, "Marwolaeth merch yn parhau'n ddirgelwch", "The Muriel Drinkwater case: can they crack the coldest murder case? Published: 08:03 EST, 1 May 2019 | Updated: 13:00 EST, 1 May 2019. They never recovered. I really appreciate how youre helping keep the true crime community informed on whats going on behind the scenes in this frustrating and heartbreaking case. I suggest reaching out to a DNA expert and seeing what insight they might be able to provide. Martin well remembers a young girl who was "always full of life" and would always be skipping and singing. The perpetrator left cigarette stubs, sweet wrappers, and pieces of bread at the scene of the crime, which the authorities have said indicates that he was waiting in the dense woods for his chance to strike. He can't understand why people would think he killed them. A team of crime experts have re-investigated the brutal killing 74 years ago and uncovered what they believe to be firm new leads in the search for who killed her, Get the latest court and crime news from WalesOnline. It was the first time he had spoken publicly about the tragedy that haunts his family to this day. Interesting insights! Video, 00:00:36Tears of relief after man found in Amazon jungle, At the crash site of 'no hope' - BBC reporter in Greece. I was able to edit the comment for you before it went live. It is now more than 70 years since the 12-year-old schoolgirl was brutally raped, battered around the head and shot twice while walking home. I have requested information regarding the cost of the re-investigation of Muriels murder since 2008. Muriel was skipping through the woods on the afternoon of June 27, 1946, as she did every day on her way from school, when the summer's afternoon turned to tragedy. Colin Dark suggested the possibillity of using D.N.A to identify who took the books into the shop with the hope of identifying the killer. Advertisement. Her mother Margaret watched from the house as the youngest of. Jones and his wife Muriel hid a lot of secrets from their daughter and one of these secrets may have been Jones wasnt her father. Advertisement. "I was about nine at the time and he was about twice my age, but I felt, at nine, that I was his intellectual superior," he said. Read about our approach to external linking. She said: "He came to public attention in the early 1950s when he was convicted of murdering an older couple. "Each case is reviewed periodically," he adds. The new B.B.C. The Photo Request has been fulfilled. She was seen by her mother from a distance of 400 yards away, but before Muriel could arrive home, she was murdered. The crime scene is a short distance from the farmhouse. Positive reviews really help others find our show. Thomas was born on July 22 1880, in South Thomaston Knox Maine. It is now more than 70 years since the 12-year-old schoolgirl was brutally raped, battered around the head . [4], More than 3,000 mourners attended Drinkwater's funeral on 2 July. He agreed to give a DNA sample that could rule out Muriel's father from the investigation. I contacted D.S. Drinkwater, a 12-year-old schoolgirl, was raped and shot in the woods in Penllergaer, Swansea. to have gone on to kill six women in London in the 1960s - and was dubbed Jack The Stripper. On 29 August 2021, I sent the following email to Freedom Of Information at South Wales Police. But they said the results now ruled out Jones as a suspect in her murder. South Wales Police some years ago announced that a potential suspect Hubert Hoyles had been cleared of Muriels death through DNA profiling. It truly is baffling and I cant help but wonder what they are trying to hide (and why!). Nevertheless, the FBI was called in to assist with determining the ownership of the murder weapon, but nothing seems to have ever transpired from this lead. Given that Hoyles was the last person to see Muriel alive, he quickly fell under a thick veil of suspicion. Her parents Harold and Muriel Jones/Stevens kept a lot of secrets from this daughter one of which may be that she wasnt Harolds daughter. Just a few weeks short of her 13th birthday, Muriel had been beaten on the crown of her head with an object, raped and then shot twice in the . I personally think whoever did it was a true psychopath and he would probably of done something like it before and has done other crimes since. Required fields are marked *. Video, 00:01:18, Record numbers of guide dog volunteers after BBC story, WATCH: Key moments from PM's NI Brexit deal speech. The gym is tucked away in an unsuspecting industrial estate in the Swansea Valley and is run by a world-champion strongman who wants as many people as possible to feel included in his beloved sport. Something went wrong, please try again later. Would a nephew definitely suffice to prove a link to Harol Jones and the crime scene stain on Muriels coat. It was supposed to have been abandoned in 1944 but I know there were GIs who married Swansea girls still around in 1946. This was a big news story at the time. I had informed him that Harold Jones had been living incognito in various West London locations after his release from prison in 1941. Well here is the TRUTH. Police believed 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater (left) might have been a victim of a notorious serial killer Harold Jones when she was raped and murdered in 1946. Despite their inve. They have a suspect in the murder case and a cousin of the suspect has given D.N.A to prove whether or not the cousin Ron Harries was the killer. "If information comes in from the public or other forces we act on it.". But he was later released and served in World War II before his military career ended in 1946. programme called Crime Secrets presented by H.T.Vs Jonathan Hill. 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