What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. A review of the astronomical, cultural, and anthropological sides of this issue might be timely. They dont have telescopes or other Why would Europeans feel compelled that they needed to discuss astronomy with such a primitive tribe and why would this transfer of knowledge that only lasted 5 weeks have such an impact on the Dogan people that they would include it in their cultural practices? The stars in this group are too young only a few tens of millions of years for planets with life and civilization to have developed. A must for every bookshelf.ORDER the book, It seems clear that the Dogon did indeed get their information from other cultures. The Nine also claim to be extraterrestrial beings from the star Sirius. So what is the alternative to the extraterrestrial hypothesis for the Dogon myths7 The Dogons could have learned of European Sirius lore in the 1920's from traders, explorers or missionaries, many of whom are avid amateur astronomers. A recent newsletter from my local astronomy association still found the Dogon and their mysterious knowledge of Sirius B worth mentioning. hVt*f+"c2aC-w.EJ|@F[VXLV~oo>l B>xU.9y'nYnZ6aBlc3y&A%M]XME If so, I wonder why that passage was ever "worth pointing out" in the book in the first place. The two anthropologists who first studied the Dogon (Griaule and Deiterlen) conducted their research in the 1930s. have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in civilization. 139-167. In reply Temple produces evidence for the great antiquity of the Sirius cult. This is a complicated issue, because several special interest groups each claim the Dogon for their own. Some might argue that if there were a planet really close to Sirius A, it could be in a stable orbit. Try my free online Rune Readings! Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. Astronomers classify Sirius as a "class A" star, hotter and younger than our sun, Its brightness is due largely to its proximity; it is barely eight light- years away from the earth. One of Temple's main It seems likely that we will never know for sure. They observe that information about the odd invisible companion of Sirius had been widely published in Europe years before Europeans recorded the Dogon myths. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. According to Griaule and The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. his informants in such a forceful leading manner that they created new The Dogon and Sirius. (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? The Stone Age storytellers speak by their campfires of other people on other planets and of other mysteries. S]V',H79aD>1 Q@d(FOY;"36y0Z{VXEJwOx._tto}#&i|HR-i4 The legend of the Dogons astronomical precociousness first appeared on the radar in the 1970s. Broca's Brain (New York: Random House, 1979), Copyright 19922023. He points out that the Dogon myths also describe a third star (astronomers would call it "Sirius C"), as yet undiscovered. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). There is, Sounds like you're grasping at straws. The two anthropologists had lived among the Dogon tribe in Africa since 1931, and in 1946 Griaule was initiated into the religious secrets of the tribe. The Dogon were in fact aware of the fact that Sirius is a binary system (i.e. sources for Temple's story. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. But that isn't the only parallel. The proof is supplied by (the Odyssey), where Helios is said to possess 7 herds of 50 cows each and 7 herds of 50 sheep, a transparent allegory of the days and nights of the year.") There are innocent available explanations: typographical error or miscopied notes, for example. Liam McDaid is Astronomy Coordinator and Professor of Astronomy at Sacramento City College. Temple's book mentions the absorption of a Christ-figure into the traditional Dogon Pantheon, obviously a recent addition. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. found no evidence they knew Sirius was a double star or that Sirius B is The Dogon. Van Beek actually spoke to some of Griaules original informants; he noted that though they do speak about sigu tolo [interpreted by Griaule as their name for Sirius itself], they disagree completely with each other as to which star is meant; for some, it is an invisible star that should rise to announce the sigu [festival], for another it is Venus that, through a different position, appears as sigu tolo. rotation is astronomically possible but whether it is correct or not we cannot yet know. It seems that Temples ideas are still popular among practitioners of pseudoarcheology, as well as with the general public. double star (Ortiz de Montellano).*. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. 1999. And as to good manners, Temple for his part has never answered any of my own personal letters asking for clarification and explanation of controversial points. WebThe star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. Meanwhile the Dogon myths continue to baffle investigators. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. Other Temple claims, including some wild assertions from The Secrets of the Great Pyramid, can as easily be checked and as easily demolished. ), There were Giants in the earthin those days Genesis 6:1. Y%gbsPFur[%X7Sz Temples solution referred to legends of a mythical creature, the god Oannes, who might have been an extraterrestrial, described as descending to Earth from the stars to bring civilising wisdom to the Dogon forefathers. The Dogon legend connected with Sirius, wrote Ridpath, "is riddled with ambiguities, contradictions, and downright errors, at least if we try to interpret it literally." Sagan, their knowledge without contact with an advanced technological Ask about whatever you want with our Free Rune Readings! Webplanet earth. Conversations With earth as a spherical body in space and projections upon it envisaged as part ofthe Sirius tore." Sirius He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. It is a type of fuel that can lead to what Clay Farris Naff cleverly calls the neuron bomb. In this post, Michael Shermer asks, Is there a moral standard that stands above all the worlds religions that is based on some transcendent source?. Figure 1. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. star" (Sirius B) and describe its density and rotational One unproven aspect of the reported Dogon knowledge of the Sirius system is the assertion that the Dogon knew of another star in the Sirius system, Emme Ya, or "larger than Sirius B but lighter and dim in magnitude." Through the carbon dating of old ritual masks researchers have established the antiquity of the Segui ceremonies. The difference in brightness between Sirius A and B is a factor of 10,000! The Dogon. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. (2004). Some surviving informants of Griaule who spoke to van Beek made it clear that the Dogon learned about Sirius B from him!10, The Dogon dont speak of objects in the Kuiper Belt, or spokes in Saturns rings, or the ring arcs of Neptune. Another claim: that in Egypt the oasis of Siwa and the ancient Nile City of Thebes are both equidistant from the shrine city of Behdet, in the delta -- and the same exact distance, too. Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. Sirius was already the subject of a mystery concerning the traditional lore of the Dogon tribe of Mali, near Timbuktu in western Africa. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. [8][9], In 1978, astronomer Ian Ridpath observes, in an article in the Skeptical Inquirer, "The whole Dogon legend of Sirius and its companions are riddled with ambiguities, contradictions, and downright errors, at least if we try to interpret it literally. Dieterlen the Dogon also name a companion star, po tolo "Digitaria "At first glance," Sagan admitted, "the Sirius legend of the Dogon seems Schroder, D.J., et al. The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. Print versions available in Dutch, Russian, Japanese, and Korean. The former study also concluded that while a triple system for Sirius could not be fully eliminated, the probability was low. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. Hmm, The Cardiff Giant, one of the most celebrated hoaxes in American history, on display at the Farmers Museum in Cooperstown, NY. of their culture, came from Sirius -- which is at the crux of Temple's reconstruction? Other ancient astronomical records make no mention of Sirius being red. As Picknett and Prince have been able to show, Temples arguments are often based on erroneous readings of encyclopdia entries and misrepresentations of ancient Egyptian mythology. The Dogon and Sirius. The Dogons were not isolated. The Dogon have a WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. Temple's book is indeed extremely long and many other researchers have echoed Asimov's assertion that it is "unreadable." But it is apparent that Temple was not aware of Van Beeks devastating research. On this episode of MonsterTalk we chat with archeologist Dr. Ken Feder about giants, biblical archeology and one of the biggest hoaxes in American history. In the 1930s, when their research was carried out, Sirius B was known to have existed, even though it was only photographed in 1970. Nor does he establish a connection between the Dogon creator Nommo and the star Sirius. Giants appear in cultures around the world: Biblical tales of giants more than ten feet tall; Roman and Greek stories of titans and heroes; European stories of giants of mountain and hill. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. Because Sirius B moves from 8 to 31 AU distance from Sirius A, it is unlikely that planets orbiting Sirius A would have stable orbits. ", A series of articles has appeared in the Griffith Observer, an astronomy magazin All agree, however, that they learned about the star from Griaule. Van Beek states that this creates a major problem for Griaules claims. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. The diagram that Temple presents, however, is not the The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. [12] According to Oberg, the Dogons' astronomical information resembled the knowledge and speculations of late 1920s Europe, suggesting that the Dogon were influenced by European visitors before their mythology was recorded in the 1930s. extraterrestrials, the Nommos, some 5,000 years ago. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. The Dogon also hold a big sigui ceremony every 60 years, which some interpret as representing the period of time it takes Sirius B to go around Sirius A. Temple claimed that the Dogon knew about two smaller stars that are closely related to Sirius Sirius B and Sirius C. The mystery was how they had obtained this knowledge, as these companion stars cannot be seen by the unaided eye. The Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. century technological matters brought to them by visitors from other parts September 1976 saw It was very unlikely that the Dogon had learned of this stars existence from Westerners prior to the visit by Griaule and Dieterlen. One problem with this idea is that Sirius B has been a white dwarf for at least tens of thousands of years. -- in other words, no disproof would follow the failure of his prediction.). Some astronomers speculate that the white dwarf Sirius B might have been a flaming red giant only 2000 years ago although current astrophysical theories decree that any such transformation in less than 100,000 years is impossible. The cartographer took all such factors into account. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. characteristics. 2Q9-mV5F W4g?`Su#q6a]sdaGr*_70 ! ;`~RS)Hm@FGI.m3gcW|PF.(`VypT!]WM6'b//^FX[P\9:H37)DH,y|F(&Da]w o9-K?MR+z.R}7.ubqUIXVy~frF@". Press J to jump to the feed. Found in the constellation after which it is named, it is about 25,000 light years from the sun and 42,000 light years from the centre of the Milky Way. Appleby also believes there exists a modern arrogance that cannot countenance the idea that ancient civilisations might have been scientifically superior. WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . this about a star that cannot be seen without telescopes, and he made no The book presents the hypothesis that the Dogon people of Mali, in West Africa, preserve a tradition of contact with intelligent extraterrestrial beings from the Sirius star system. The interval between ceremonies may be forty, fifty or sixty years. WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. This is strange, because one would think that it would be a major discovery in anthropology. So it merely remains for any interested reader to check and see which of us is correct. by Philip Coppens. Precise maps at the NASA space photo interpretation lab in Houston list "Behdet" as an ancient name for modern Damanhur, located today at 31.03 degN, 30.28 degE, i.e., more than a hundred kilometers away from where Temple locates his "Behdet" at 31.50 degN, 31.23 degE. 30-31. the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? Although Temple fails to prove its antiquity, the evidence for the recent acquisition of the information is still entirely circumstantial. This would have wreaked havoc on the climate of any planets orbiting Sirius A. 2000. (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. African thought. A dynamical study published in 1995, based on anomalous perturbations of Sirius B (suggestive of the star being gravitationally influenced by another body) concluded that the presence of a third star orbiting Sirius could not be ruled out. And does the Dogon mythology ever really say that Nommo, the founder WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. (Photo by John and Keturah. Using spherical trig, I got 612.3 km for the Siwa-Behdet leg and 654.8 km for the Thebes-Behdet. WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. One group says the Dogon got their information from aliens from the Sirian system called Nommos. And finally, even if Sirius B had been a visible red giant a few thousand years ago, how would the Dogon know that Sirius B was still there after it became a white dwarf? Knowledge of the stars is not important In a response published in Fate magazine, he denied intending that: "I refer, entirely in passing, to the Greek word for siren and its similarity to the word for Sirius, drawing absolutely WebRe: Dogon Sirius claim debunked - Graham Hancock Official Website Mysteries Taken from [ library.thinkquest.org] According to the Dogon priests, Sirius is orbited by a tiny secret star that they refer to as 'po', which traces an elliptical path around Sirius taking 50 years to Griaule and Dieterlen first described their findings in an article published in French in 1950, but they included no comment about how extraordinary the Dogon knowledge of the invisible companions was. Modern astronomers have discovered the remains of the supernova Vela-X in a constellation which would have been visible in the low southern sky from Sumer. The Sirius Mystery is a book written by Robert K. G. Temple (born Robert Kyle Grenville Temple in 1945) supporting the pseudoscientific[1] ancient astronauts hypothesis that intelligent extraterrestrial beings visited the Earth and made contact with humans in antiquity and prehistoric times. 6, "White ), Another example: "The Dogon also mention a period of rotation of Sirius- Bone yearthis How did the Dogon obtain this knowledge? The inspiration for this claim was a star map produced by Betty Hill while under hypnosis. A substantial bulk of The Sirius Mystery consists of comparative linguistic and mythological scholarship, pointing out resemblances among Dogon, Yoruba, Egyptian and Sumerian beliefs and symbols. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. He shows a total ignorance or disregard for almost every fact in my book, and there is hardly a single thing in his review which is remotely accurate." claims about the antiquity of this information or of a connection with He points out that Griaule and Dieterlen stand alone in their claims about the Dogon secret knowledge. Fishs map and Hills map look similar only because the lines connecting the stars look the same. Whew! "Nowhere in his 295 page book does Temple offer one specific statement from the Dogon to substantiate his ancient astronauts claim." What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. The immunity of pseudoscientists to criticism is well known to skeptics, yet I was curious. They conclude that Temple was very keen to please his mentor, who believed in extraterrestrial beings from Sirius. Temple considers alternative possibilities other than alien contact, such as a very ancient, advanced, and lost civilization that was behind the sudden appearance of advanced civilization in both Egypt and Sumer. One of the problems the UFO crowd has is providing an answer to the question of where the aliens who visit us come from. %PDF-1.4 (I must confess I've felt that way about some other people, tool). interpreter. But now, in another recent publication Ancient Mysteries by Peter James and Nick Thorpe this mystery is also uncloaked as a hoax or a lie perpetrated by Griaule. In their original findings, Griaule and Deiterlen make no comment about the Dogon knowledge of Sirius B. The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. "We have in the Dogon information a predictive mechanism which it is our duty to test, regardless of our preconceptions." Many served in the French army in World War I and some of them could have returned years later with colorful embellishments for their native legends. ch. WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. Am I getting too picky here? When Walter van Beek studied the Dogon, he "Robert Temple on three different occasions, by mail and phone, attempted to get support from me and I steadfastly refused," Asimov wrote. Sirius was already the subject of a mystery concerning the traditional lore of the Dogon tribe of Mali, near Timbuktu in western Africa. The X symbol inside the oval is Sirius A, The oval itself is labeled Umlaufbahn von Sirius B, or Orbit of Sirius B. Pretty convincing. The Dogon are a people of about 100,000 who dwell in western Africa. But if the error is real, it reflects on the only kind of hard, checkable, testable evidence Temple has offered for his theories. In this weeks eSkeptic, Liam McDaid examines these claims. Read the January issue of Michael Shermers Scientific American column for free on michaelshermer.com: Kool-Aid Psychology: How optimism trumped realism in the positive-psychology movement. One additional disturbing note: That distance has been computed based on a true geodetic oblate spheroid, but even assuming a flat surface would only have introduced an error of a few tenths of one percent at most (Temple obviously didn't know that, or he wouldn't have asserted that measurements even less accurate than that were proof that ancients took Earth's sphericity into account.). The Dogon myths may or may not be related to these other putties (or even to Kepler's supernova, which has been seriously suggested.) Also it would take a very good set of lenses to see Sirius B, which has an apparent magnitude of 8.44 and a separation from Sirius A of 10 arcseconds (0.3% of a 1 angle) under the best conditions. WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. mystery resurfaces." WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. ancient Egypt.*. Unfortunately he neglects to mention other bas-reliefs which show "fish-deer" and "fish-lions" and which consequently suggest that the fish motif was symbolic, not descriptive. The Nine became part of the UFO and New Age mythology and many claim to be in contact with them. "There is some evidence," he points out, "that the Dogon like to frame pictures with an ellipse, and that Temple may be mistaken about the claim that in Dogon mythology the planets and Sirius-B move in elliptical orbits." If I were alone in picking on Temple's thesis, he might be able to argue a case for ad hominem persecution. (Copyright: R. Ibata (Strasbourg Observatory, ULP) et al., 2MASS, NASA). Also, in the 1980s and 1990s, anthropologist Walter van Beek could find no evidence that the Dogon possessed knowledge about Sirius B today.9 But more enlightening is the fact that Griaule studied astronomy in Paris and brought star maps with him to Mali. due to quantities of melanin (Welsing, F. C. 1987. The diagram is only convincing as a representation of Sirius B orbiting Sirius A when most of the original symbols are eliminated. This sounds significant and convincing until one measures the distance on a map and discovers an "immensely accurate equality" of a twenty percent difference! Based on Carrolls website (skepdic.com), the Dictionary is the definitive short-answer debunking of nearly every thing skeptical. In 1991, Van Beek led a team of anthropologists to Mali and declared that they found absolutely no trace of the detailed Sirius lore reported by the French anthropologists. Sagan has recounted numerous examples from Arizona and New Guinea -- and other scholars have noted similar instances -- of the rapid assimilation of new stories, songs and lore into the eclectic mythology of Stone Age peoples. Flim-Flam! [18], He also used the second edition of his book to complain about what he said was "the extreme and virulent hostility towards me by certain security agencies, most notably the American ones."[19]. Though Temples work was challenged, at its core lay the original anthropological study of the Dogon by Griaule and Dieterlen, who describe the secret knowledge of Sirius B and Sirius C in their own book The Pale Fox. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. This is true, but Sirius has about 25 times the luminosity of the Sun. The good news is that two of the first five entries were from skeptical websites (CSICOP and Bob Carrolls Skeptics Dictionary). It was popularized in an episode from the In Search of television series narrated by Leonard Nimoy. (And presumably, that the Egyptians then located their river deltas, eases, and river ports deliberately on geometric rather than purely geographical grounds, I'm tempted to ask?) I disagree wit deeee72. 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